Simulating the Big Bang

[Marx Chaotix]

I'm wondering if it's possible at all to "make" a miniaturized big bang. I'm not talking about a computer simulator or anything, but I mean actually make a miniaturized one. Perhaps we could make a large house sized room take all matter out of it and put in all the proper elements to generate one within the massive room and witness it. Just some crazy thought that came to my mind. I know it's probably all to impossible but I guess it would be cool to see it in science fiction or something.

Sorry for misspelling "simulating" in the title.

[cypher1554R]

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A topic just next to yours..

[Marx Chaotix]

DAMN! I should have read your topic first. It's almost just like mine!

[eatcomics]

I myself was watching a show on discovery... last weekend I think? anyways they were talking about the end of the world and one possible cause was the big bang creator they are working on, something about creating black holes that will eat everything. I thought it was pretty interesting

[Trask]

I'm wondering if it's possible at all to "make" a miniaturized big bang. I'm not talking about a computer simulator or anything, but I mean actually make a miniaturized one. Perhaps we could make a large house sized room take all matter out of it and put in all the proper elements to generate one within the massive room and witness it. Just some crazy thought that came to my mind. I know it's probably all to impossible but I guess it would be cool to see it in science fiction or something.

Sorry for misspelling "simulating" in the title.

The phrase "miniaturized big bang" somehow seems a bit contradictory to me... but who I am to think such crazy thoughts?

[cypher1554R]

I'm wondering if it's possible at all to "make" a miniaturized big bang. I'm not talking about a computer simulator or anything, but I mean actually make a miniaturized one. Perhaps we could make a large house sized room take all matter out of it and put in all the proper elements to generate one within the massive room and witness it. Just some crazy thought that came to my mind. I know it's probably all to impossible but I guess it would be cool to see it in science fiction or something.

Sorry for misspelling "simulating" in the title.

The phrase "miniaturized big bang" somehow seems a bit contradictory to me... but who I am to think such crazy thoughts?

There is no such thing as miniaturized big bang.. The big bang itself is something that happens on nuclear level.. Not some kind of bomb explosion.. :]

[Meskito]

There is no such thing as miniaturized big bang.. The big bang itself is something that happens on nuclear level.. Not some kind of bomb explosion.. :]

That is not entirely true. Before and very soon after the Big Bang, there was no such thing as an atom, or nuclear force (strong or weak). It is believed that at such extreme energy, all of the forces were equally strong and can be expressed with the same equation (which is still being looked for in Grand Unification Theory). It did not happen on a nuclear level at all. However, you were right that it was not similar to a bomb's explosion.

By the way, miniaturized versions of the Big Bang DO exist, they're called singularities, and they're found at the center of black holes. Inside of a singularity, the density is infinite, and so it is thought to be infinitely hot, just like the pre-Big Bang singularity.

This is taken from Stephen Hawking's A Brief History of Time:
"At the big bang itself the universe is thought to have had zero size, and so to have been infinitely hot. But as the
universe expanded, the temperature of the radiation decreased. One second after the big bang, it would have fallen
to about ten thousand million degrees. This is about a thousand times the temperature at the center of the sun, but
temperatures as high as this are reached in H-bomb explosions. At this time the universe would have contained
mostly photons, electrons, and neutrinos (extremely light particles that are affected only by the weak force and
gravity) and their antiparticles, together with some protons and neutrons."

We will understand much more with a working theory of quantum gravity. I think we'll see that theory in our lifetimes.

[davidthefat]

There is no such thing as miniaturized big bang.. The big bang itself is something that happens on nuclear level.. Not some kind of bomb explosion.. :]

That is not entirely true. Before and very soon after the Big Bang, there was no such thing as an atom, or nuclear force (strong or weak). It is believed that at such extreme energy, all of the forces were equally strong and can be expressed with the same equation (which is still being looked for in Grand Unification Theory). It did not happen on a nuclear level at all. However, you were right that it was not similar to a bomb's explosion.

By the way, miniaturized versions of the Big Bang DO exist, they're called singularities, and they're found at the center of black holes. Inside of a singularity, the density is infinite, and so it is thought to be infinitely hot, just like the pre-Big Bang singularity.

This is taken from Stephen Hawking's A Brief History of Time:
"At the big bang itself the universe is thought to have had zero size, and so to have been infinitely hot. But as the
universe expanded, the temperature of the radiation decreased. One second after the big bang, it would have fallen
to about ten thousand million degrees. This is about a thousand times the temperature at the center of the sun, but
temperatures as high as this are reached in H-bomb explosions. At this time the universe would have contained
mostly photons, electrons, and neutrinos (extremely light particles that are affected only by the weak force and
gravity) and their antiparticles, together with some protons and neutrons."

We will understand much more with a working theory of quantum gravity. I think we'll see that theory in our lifetimes.

No... The miniature big bangs are my farts...

LOL JK

[dandymcgee]

No... The miniature big bangs are my farts...

LOL JK

Did you really have to bring back a month old topic just to say that? It was already 6 months old when Meskito posted..

[davidthefat]

No... The miniature big bangs are my farts...

LOL JK

Did you really have to bring back a month old topic just to say that? It was already 6 months old when Meskito posted..

I just did it

[dejai]

I believe you are forgetting that the definition of matter at the beginning of time was non existent. For time is driven by events before time began there was merely no events taking place nor a reference to judge from thus when time started there was an event being the big bang itself. The explosion was so intense the laws of physics break down. I am talking about unthinkable heat. Matter was formed some seconds after the big bang. If you are hoping to simulate every particle that ever existed you would first have to know how many particles the energy from the big bang created in the first place... Something we do not know. Even then if you could work out how many particles there were you wouldn't be simulating it you would have a fixed calculation. Then you would have to decide where the particles formed and if it was uniform which it obviously was not given the layout of the universe. You would then have to track a growing number of particles in a growing number of forms as it grows exponentially. That many vector sums is not possible. You would also have to have laws governing the matter and energy and whatever else was in that mix. Physicists don't know how gravity works it just is... So how are we supposed to predict any such thing. In fact just the thought of trying to store so much data in itself is ludicrous. And again the formation of matter in forms we have not discovered would be increasingly implausible to achieve. You obviously have very little knowledge on the issue at hand. If you wanted to take the simulation from a given point in time lets say after all the particles had clumped together and then you disregard all the stuff floating about it would still be ludicrously in accurate because we have no idea of the size nor the mass of the universe.

[Netwatcher]

I believe you are forgetting that the definition of matter at the beginning of time was non existent. For time is driven by events before time began there was merely no events taking place nor a reference to judge from thus when time started there was an event being the big bang itself. The explosion was so intense the laws of physics break down. I am talking about unthinkable heat. Matter was formed some seconds after the big bang. If you are hoping to simulate every particle that ever existed you would first have to know how many particles the energy from the big bang created in the first place... Something we do not know. Even then if you could work out how many particles there were you wouldn't be simulating it you would have a fixed calculation. Then you would have to decide where the particles formed and if it was uniform which it obviously was not given the layout of the universe. You would then have to track a growing number of particles in a growing number of forms as it grows exponentially. That many vector sums is not possible. You would also have to have laws governing the matter and energy and whatever else was in that mix. Physicists don't know how gravity works it just is... So how are we supposed to predict any such thing. In fact just the thought of trying to store so much data in itself is ludicrous. And again the formation of matter in forms we have not discovered would be increasingly implausible to achieve. You obviously have very little knowledge on the issue at hand. If you wanted to take the simulation from a given point in time lets say after all the particles had clumped together and then you disregard all the stuff floating about it would still be ludicrously in accurate because we have no idea of the size nor the mass of the universe.

I don't think it broke the laws of physics, more like created them... if there was nothing then physics doesn't apply on nothing, and for physics only applies between two or more forces, and if the only force is the big bang hence physics does not apply.
So do you need a place without any forces (or with sum of 0) to simulate it?
Or am I not getting it right ?

[avansc]

I love how people debate the big bag as if it's fact.

why don't we have a mini unicorn migration simulation.

[Netwatcher]

I love how people debate the big bag as if it's fact.

why don't we have a mini unicorn migration simulation.

This forum is about simulating the big bang, if ur posting here... it's obvious you take that as a fact (or at least debate as if this event is a fact)

[avansc]

to return a favor avan, you mom got big banged by me, stupid scriptkiddie.

you should all pray to god, he is the only originator of everything dumbasses. damn, if never seen such idiotic people.

thanks, now Christians look more crazy than they already do. you need to get one of those WWJD bracelets.